East Timor’s President Jose Ramos-Horta is truly one of the most interesting people in the world.
The Nobel Peace Prize winner welcomes Imran Garda to his country’s capital city, Dili, where he discusses his young, vibrant nation’s new challenge after liberation – ending poverty and giving his people a better life.
Ramos-Horta gives strong views on the persecution of the Rohingya, Israeli airstrikes on Gaza and reflects on key moments in his life, expanding on touching personal anecdotes that include Nelson Mandela and even Jennifer Lopez.
00:00 Meeting Jose Ramos-Horta
01:50 What you need to know about East Timor
03:25 What is harder, fighting to liberate a country or running a country?
04:42 Ramos-Horta gives Imran a ride
04:57 The benefits of a small country
05:27 Poverty, malnutrition, and social support
07:50 What does the World Bank get wrong about East Timor?
09:14 The Greater Sunrise development
10:24 The Oil Curse
12:55 Xanana Gusmao
15:08 The Santa Cruz Massacre
16:58 On Indonesia and Prabowo Subianto becoming its president
19:31 Impact of winning a Nobel Prize on Horta's life
20:36 Myanmar and the tragedy of Rohingya Muslims
21:47 What was Aung San Suu Kyi’s game?
22:30 “Jose Ramos-Horta is tired, emotional and wants to go home”
23:15 Thoughts on the Gaza war
26:02 Who is Ramos-Horta’s celebrity crush?
27:20 On the ineffectiveness of humanitarian panels and conferences
29:05 Ramos-Horta's family
30:49 How did Ramos-Horta and Nelson Mandela meet?
32:40 “Don’t forget the small people”
33:41 Ramos-Horta’s moral compass
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